HI. Sorry. I had this written up yesterday and I guess my computer lost it.
Ron's feelings haven't really changed-- or to say his indifference hasn't really changed. The muggle/wizard issue isn't one that's really brought up in canon save a few times except in passing (most notably in year four). It's not something that's actually been a problem in his early life for him to have a real say on.
That's actually going to change a bit more as he starts getting Deathly Hallows memories. The one I changed out to from Goldie's game is actually pretty good in the fact that it brings up the fact Death Eater are hurting mugges. But at the same time Lupin is encouraging listeners to continue what they usually do... Which is just not telling muggles about magic and protecting them instead.
It's the weird twist in mindset that even the "good wizards" have that Muggles are just better off not knowing about magic. Even with few memories it's just really in-grained in him that it makes sense. It'll take more conversations about it and memories where muggles are in immediate danger for him to really think about it. Especially since their prerogative about muggles is to erase their memories if they see magic.
How is Selenia feeling about the current state of Sapphire?
I am loving how Aather challenges character's views on their own worlds and seeing how that plays out.
Selenia has been...pretty unsure about Sapphire. They used to be SUPER STABLE for a long while and now they're having enough turn-over that he's feeling pretty unsure about his place in the "new Sapphire"; which doesn't help because he always felt kind of out-of-place on Sapphire to begin with. Sapphire has always been a pretty idealistic team and, in his view, he's seen that idealism result in crashing and burning more times than he's comfortable with. So he does get pretty genuinely distressed when new Sapphire just decide to ignore the rules or bend them for the sake of personal ideals, which has been made worse by the fact that in several harmless game new Sapphires (and Apple) have Made a Stand against a game concept that was actually as kind as the Persona could muster within their role.
There's definitely a lot of 'don't do what the Personae tell you to do!' sentiment on the team now, which has always been the case but he feels that a lot of action taken in that vein is due to a lack of knowledge on how the system actually works and he feels that Sapphire's actions in games will actually be more hurtful to their cause because, to him, they are not making their decisions with the full knowledge of how Personae even work. He's dreading the day he misses a trauma game and then finding out his teammates managed to kill everyone because they went "fuck the authority!" at a Persona actually villainous enough to kill them over it.
How's Ron feeling about Sapphire in games right now?
Edited (whoops, some of my line got deleted) 2014-05-08 07:16 (UTC)
FUNNILY enough. Ron's worries are in a lot of ways similar/different from Selenia in a weird twist.
Sapphire has been really good to Gryffindor in terms of choices and vocalization. Between Apple encouraging him to do something he wants to do and Selenia going I'm proud of having you on this team they were really pivotal in the fact that... Ron really, really wants to do his best and speak up. At the same time he really looks up to the older Sapphires which is seen in one of his latest threads with Apple. It's why he was going "no, you guys are being dumb please fix this or I will step in and none of you will like it".
Beause at the end of the day Ron is a... pretty selfless person? Which is what his approach to games has been. In the friendship baking game he had mostly jokingly suggested the friendship cake because it seemed the thing they would do and when it actually worke he was this mix between amused and embarrassed. But even something as simple as that has really fixed the way he views Sapphire so he very stagnantly tries to go, "okay, but how would Sapphire see this?" for a while. And now he's just like, "okay, I'll do it my own way, but maybe they'd go along with it because it's a choice I made?" Choice has become important to him now in that he follows his own without feeling too guilty about it!
At the same time this is the selflessness comes in and his likeness to Selenia comes in, especially as he gets more war memories. Ron is not a person who willingly wants to hurt anyone, he's even seen asking Harry should they kill death eaters. He asks this specifically saying they'd kill us too and almost did it already, but when Harry says they're not he's visibly relieved. Ron actually feels responsible for lives he barely knows! And this is an important trait that kind of played in his first trauma game. He was well aware there was a chance that /no/ there is probably not a way around it. But he was going to do his best to think up all the viable solutions on how to maybe not have to do it and, worst case scenario, the best way so not too many people would get seriously hurt.
This is actually something that made him mad at his team about except Selenia. Because Apple outright refused to even accept the idea they might have to hurt people. Yuki was like, "I don't care so long as you don't hurt these teams and if I do I'll hurt you." And Ron was just like. No. Both of you are dumb. Especially when Yuki was like "well, people are gonna save the people they like best. that doesn't matter to me just save these people even if I know no one else is going to attack them". Just the concept of people trying to save their friends over stranger is both this thing he UNDERSTANDS but at the same time is like NO. THAT... THAT DOES NOT HELP THE SITUATION!!!
And so in his own way he's extremely worried about any future games where they might have to hurt people. Because so far he's seen that Sapphire is too stubborn and not in a good way. It's part of why he told Apple that if she didn't settle things with Selenia and Yuki soon then he will. Ron is a person who an fight/argue and then sulk angrily for weeks with the best of them but the biggest difference is that... If they are in a situation where it is very obvious that it's dumb-- someone's in need, the other is hurting, etc-- he drops it just like that and never brings it up again. It may not LEAVE him if it's something that effects his self worth, but he bottles that up and just.. never says anything. As a whole though he's very disappointed in the fighting because he's like if something happens and you can't sort it out then it's all of us.
In short, they've given him more approval of freedom of choice but at the same time the rigidness in certain aspects makes him very uncomfortable.
My future plans with Selenia are his eventual legacy! He has two normal memories left and I have an AU alternity in the wings that I plan to keep to 3-5 memories so he's...very close to done there.
And honestly after that, I am not too sure what's going to happen! I played around with him gaining back his Lorelei skill then with the rest of his memories and skills but that would definitely require him going on a legacy quest for a while which means he'll be out of play for a month or so. But my biggest plan is just to see what he does when he's legacy and in a position where his own safety is pretty much guaranteed but his team's is not and see how he handles it. He may end up deciding that there's no point in him staying and leave, or he may decide it's important to at least stay where all the 'action' is and do what he can to help. Who knows! I don't!
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Ron's feelings haven't really changed-- or to say his indifference hasn't really changed. The muggle/wizard issue isn't one that's really brought up in canon save a few times except in passing (most notably in year four). It's not something that's actually been a problem in his early life for him to have a real say on.
That's actually going to change a bit more as he starts getting Deathly Hallows memories. The one I changed out to from Goldie's game is actually pretty good in the fact that it brings up the fact Death Eater are hurting mugges. But at the same time Lupin is encouraging listeners to continue what they usually do... Which is just not telling muggles about magic and protecting them instead.
It's the weird twist in mindset that even the "good wizards" have that Muggles are just better off not knowing about magic. Even with few memories it's just really in-grained in him that it makes sense. It'll take more conversations about it and memories where muggles are in immediate danger for him to really think about it. Especially since their prerogative about muggles is to erase their memories if they see magic.
How is Selenia feeling about the current state of Sapphire?
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Selenia has been...pretty unsure about Sapphire. They used to be SUPER STABLE for a long while and now they're having enough turn-over that he's feeling pretty unsure about his place in the "new Sapphire"; which doesn't help because he always felt kind of out-of-place on Sapphire to begin with. Sapphire has always been a pretty idealistic team and, in his view, he's seen that idealism result in crashing and burning more times than he's comfortable with. So he does get pretty genuinely distressed when new Sapphire just decide to ignore the rules or bend them for the sake of personal ideals, which has been made worse by the fact that in several harmless game new Sapphires (and Apple) have Made a Stand against a game concept that was actually as kind as the Persona could muster within their role.
There's definitely a lot of 'don't do what the Personae tell you to do!' sentiment on the team now, which has always been the case but he feels that a lot of action taken in that vein is due to a lack of knowledge on how the system actually works and he feels that Sapphire's actions in games will actually be more hurtful to their cause because, to him, they are not making their decisions with the full knowledge of how Personae even work. He's dreading the day he misses a trauma game and then finding out his teammates managed to kill everyone because they went "fuck the authority!" at a Persona actually villainous enough to kill them over it.
How's Ron feeling about Sapphire in games right now?
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Sapphire has been really good to Gryffindor in terms of choices and vocalization. Between Apple encouraging him to do something he wants to do and Selenia going I'm proud of having you on this team they were really pivotal in the fact that... Ron really, really wants to do his best and speak up. At the same time he really looks up to the older Sapphires which is seen in one of his latest threads with Apple. It's why he was going "no, you guys are being dumb please fix this or I will step in and none of you will like it".
Beause at the end of the day Ron is a... pretty selfless person? Which is what his approach to games has been. In the friendship baking game he had mostly jokingly suggested the friendship cake because it seemed the thing they would do and when it actually worke he was this mix between amused and embarrassed. But even something as simple as that has really fixed the way he views Sapphire so he very stagnantly tries to go, "okay, but how would Sapphire see this?" for a while. And now he's just like, "okay, I'll do it my own way, but maybe they'd go along with it because it's a choice I made?" Choice has become important to him now in that he follows his own without feeling too guilty about it!
At the same time this is the selflessness comes in and his likeness to Selenia comes in, especially as he gets more war memories. Ron is not a person who willingly wants to hurt anyone, he's even seen asking Harry should they kill death eaters. He asks this specifically saying they'd kill us too and almost did it already, but when Harry says they're not he's visibly relieved. Ron actually feels responsible for lives he barely knows! And this is an important trait that kind of played in his first trauma game. He was well aware there was a chance that /no/ there is probably not a way around it. But he was going to do his best to think up all the viable solutions on how to maybe not have to do it and, worst case scenario, the best way so not too many people would get seriously hurt.
This is actually something that made him mad at his team about except Selenia. Because Apple outright refused to even accept the idea they might have to hurt people. Yuki was like, "I don't care so long as you don't hurt these teams and if I do I'll hurt you." And Ron was just like. No. Both of you are dumb. Especially when Yuki was like "well, people are gonna save the people they like best. that doesn't matter to me just save these people even if I know no one else is going to attack them". Just the concept of people trying to save their friends over stranger is both this thing he UNDERSTANDS but at the same time is like NO. THAT... THAT DOES NOT HELP THE SITUATION!!!
And so in his own way he's extremely worried about any future games where they might have to hurt people. Because so far he's seen that Sapphire is too stubborn and not in a good way. It's part of why he told Apple that if she didn't settle things with Selenia and Yuki soon then he will. Ron is a person who an fight/argue and then sulk angrily for weeks with the best of them but the biggest difference is that... If they are in a situation where it is very obvious that it's dumb-- someone's in need, the other is hurting, etc-- he drops it just like that and never brings it up again. It may not LEAVE him if it's something that effects his self worth, but he bottles that up and just.. never says anything. As a whole though he's very disappointed in the fighting because he's like if something happens and you can't sort it out then it's all of us.
In short, they've given him more approval of freedom of choice but at the same time the rigidness in certain aspects makes him very uncomfortable.
Future plans with Selenia?
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And honestly after that, I am not too sure what's going to happen! I played around with him gaining back his Lorelei skill then with the rest of his memories and skills but that would definitely require him going on a legacy quest for a while which means he'll be out of play for a month or so. But my biggest plan is just to see what he does when he's legacy and in a position where his own safety is pretty much guaranteed but his team's is not and see how he handles it. He may end up deciding that there's no point in him staying and leave, or he may decide it's important to at least stay where all the 'action' is and do what he can to help. Who knows! I don't!
Any future plans for Gryffindor?